NS Cliches: Rebooted

by **Aureumterra III** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:24 am

South Reinkalistan wrote:
Sengoku Americas wrote:
What do you mean Park Hyeja Thought is inapplicable in real life?

i think most of the nations on this site irl would collapse due to ideological reasons alone

The very basic laws of sociology and cultural relations and such would need to be subverted for some of these nations to exist

Including Aureumterra

by **Valentine Z** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:24 am

A... trope/cliche (?) to avoid or just to start doing: Use your own photos as reference and maybeeee do some Photoshop goodness.

I think it's one thing to just use your own photos*, but there is another thing entirely to use multiple photos you have shot and make something entirely different with Photoshopping. I am definitely giving this a shot.

Shameless plug, I did it for a thread I am running. Photo was from my walk around Singapore:

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Or cut out the middleman and use Cities: Skylines.

by **Dayganistan** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:26 am

Nations that are evil and edgy for the sake of being evil and edgy seem to be very often accompanied by poor RP and writing skill. Why can't we have a well written DPRK type nation for once?

by **South Reinkalistan** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:28 am

Dayganistan wrote:Nations that are evil and edgy for the sake of being evil and edgy seem to be very often accompanied by poor RP and writing skill. Why can't we have a well written DPRK type nation for once?

Khoronzon nails both deliberate edge and writing ability.

by **Caribbean Confederation** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:28 am

Dayganistan wrote:Nations that are evil and edgy for the sake of being evil and edgy seem to be very often accompanied by poor RP and writing skill. Why can't we have a well written DPRK type nation for once?

I mean to a degree because if it was "Well-written" it wouldn't become a DPRK-style nation lol. I legit wouldn't believe DPRK existed -with these conditions and its human rights abuses, etc- if I didn't know it existed, I'd swear it was just a saturday morning cartoon or something lol

by **Zeloria** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:38 am

Caribbean Confederation wrote:
Dayganistan wrote:Nations that are evil and edgy for the sake of being evil and edgy seem to be very often accompanied by poor RP and writing skill. Why can't we have a well written DPRK type nation for once?

I mean to a degree because if it was "Well-written" it wouldn't become a DPRK-style nation lol. I legit wouldn't believe DPRK existed -with these conditions and its human rights abuses, etc- if I didn't know it existed, I'd swear it was just a saturday morning cartoon or something lol

Do you think that nazi germany would be seen as a nation that is too evil or edgy too actual exist if it didn't?

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:41 am

Zeloria wrote:
Caribbean Confederation wrote:I mean to a degree because if it was "Well-written" it wouldn't become a DPRK-style nation lol. I legit wouldn't believe DPRK existed -with these conditions and its human rights abuses, etc- if I didn't know it existed, I'd swear it was just a saturday morning cartoon or something lol

Do you think that nazi germany would be seen as a nation that is too evil or edgy too actual exist if it didn't?

Not particularly.
Same thing with the DPRK- when you understand how it came into existence it makes much more sense. But if you look at it as an established entity alone, and ignore its history and shaping factors that led to it being such a fucking hellhole, then yeah- it shouldn't come as a surprise that most of the edgy nations that are "too edgy to exist" and fail to pull it off on this site just look at things in the present and don't examine history.

by **Dayganistan** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:42 am

Caribbean Confederation wrote:
Dayganistan wrote:Nations that are evil and edgy for the sake of being evil and edgy seem to be very often accompanied by poor RP and writing skill. Why can't we have a well written DPRK type nation for once?

I mean to a degree because if it was "Well-written" it wouldn't become a DPRK-style nation lol. I legit wouldn't believe DPRK existed -with these conditions and its human rights abuses, etc- if I didn't know it existed, I'd swear it was just a saturday morning cartoon or something lol

I guess it's more like North Korea has reasons why it got that way. If it were a work of fiction, it would have fleshed out worldbuilding that describes why and how it became evil. Versus a lot of NS evil nations that are evil just because, with no explanation as to why.

by **Las Palmeras** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:54 am

Kiu Ghesik wrote:i find this seriously interesting but this was my first thought on seeing the monolith tbh

Funnily enough, I wanted the Palmerans/Tohorinese and the Nazis to be competing bad guys at first. No way would the Atlantic Master Race that supposedly propped up the Mediterranean world let a bunch of Germanic barbarian snow-savage vikangz who copied a crappy Blavatsky fanfic LARP as the Real Atlanteans in their back-yard, yadda yadda.

But I guess I'll have Greater Tohorin to show how horrendously racist LP was and how the ~~horrendously racist but at least not overtly genocidal~~ good old USA made things better by making LP eat a Snickers bar after the 1898 War. Also, colonialism has bad side effects, m'kay kids.

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Where was I? Oh and here's what I based the monolith on.

by **South Reinkalistan** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:58 am

Shitty countries have existed. Shitty countries exist. Shitty countries will exist.

Evil is good as long as it's done well. Don't let "edge" put you off making a shitty country.

by **Baizou** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:59 am

Sengoku Americas wrote:What do you mean Park Hyeja Thought is inapplicable in real life?

Speaking of, this is something that's not a cliche as it's the first I've really seen of it: the caveats in Sengoku's factbooks to, basically, not try this at home! Such as how SRC's governing system is explicitly called out as, "Warning: The following system has never been tried in the real world, so I strong discourage anyone from applying it to any actual nation."

Out of context, I think such warnings might seem blunt, but in context they actually rhetorically add to the text, helping ease readers into both processing the serious dreadfulness of the balkanized-U.S. situation (the conflicts, deaths, etc.) while simultaneously easing into the more optimistic present of SRC and PRC, where the leaders are quite pleasant people who are good to hang out with.

Perhaps I just notice it so much because it feels like another approach to what I tried to do by implication. With a motto like "checks and imbalances" and a policymaking bureaucracy so explicitly difficult to wrap the mind around, I try to imply Baizou's flaws and probably real-world impracticality in spite of the in-character success it's experiencing (which is in many senses on account of my own desire to write happy characters in a decent place and have some respite from the world ^^; ).

I guess I've kinda rambled about things that aren't cliches... ^^;

Oh, there is a completely unrelated cliche I was thinking about. It's not that surprising, but I think most users in the "Which Party from the AN would you vote for?" trend toward choosing center-ish parties. Ah, but then again, I guess that's not really a cliche so much as it is a reflection of a tendency in the userbase toward avoiding extremity, whether actual or perceived?

Las Palmeras wrote:But I guess I'll have Greater Tohorin to show how horrendously racist LP was and how the ~~horrendously racist but at least not overtly genocidal~~ good old USA made things better by making LP eat a Snickers bar after the 1898 War. Also, colonialism has bad side effects, m'kay kids.

nods sagely

(now imagining anti-colonialism ad campaigns in the style of anti-drug ad campaigns)

Hm, I've considered writing another prose piece about Yuu to try to explore negative colonial externalities on Baizou's Po-Usikwa. While I'm open about preferring to use Baizou to produce lighter fictional fare, it may be worthwhile to take a further look at the colonial realities Baizou has quite probably experienced with both medieval Japanese settlement (which is a different kind of colonialism, but still involves settlement, displacement, political dislocation, etc.) and long-term English/British occupation. I mostly push that stuff to the background, but I'd like to explore at least some of those "bad side effects, m'kay" at some point.

by **Las Palmeras** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:06 am

Baizou wrote:Hm, I've considered writing another prose piece about Yuu to try to explore negative colonial externalities on Baizou's Po-Usikwa. While I'm open about preferring to use Baizou to produce lighter fictional fare, it may be worthwhile to take a further look at the colonial realities Baizou has quite probably experienced with both medieval Japanese settlement (which is a different kind of colonialism, but still involves settlement, displacement, political dislocation, etc.) and long-term English/British occupation. I mostly push that stuff to the background, but I'd like to explore at least some of those "bad side effects, m'kay" at some point.

It would definitely be an interesting chance to show how societies aren't a monolithic in-group and how rivalries over the cultural purity of leaders in the metropole and colonists often happen IRL. Sounds very interesting.
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In LP's case, the example is a lot more racialized because of the Spanish Empire's social hierarchy. And things only get bloodier as I wanna make it clear that Tohorinese colonists of the Caribbean were climate refugees from the Little Ice Age (which was drying up the Home Island at the time) and were fighting for their lives. I also want to take the opportunity to show how sometimes decision making by policy-men isn't always rational or profit-driven, by modern Western standards at least. The Tohorinese were still somewhat "Medieval" in the 18th Century.

by **Miku the Based** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:57 pm

Synne Industries wrote:
Dayganistan wrote:Here's an NS military building cliche. People who use only American equipment because they think it's the best. Never mind that a lot of the time it's also stuff that America doesn't even export, and sometimes it's really not that great compared to equipment from other Western countries intended for the same role. And if they want to be a bad guy they'll just use Russian equipment which to be fair makes a little more sense.

Honestly this. Maybe it’s just me but from what I’ve seen the F-22 seems to be the chief offender when it comes to this. The big scary stealth jet known as the aircraft which America refuses to export because it’s a big scary stealth jet. I know people use it because it’s this media darling in America action cinema but I don’t know what drives people to include it but not be aware of how the US handles exporting or rather not exporting the things. It’s a good plane but it’s not exactly a powerwank, maybe it’s just out there as filler and I’m just getting upset over these tiny things that only I care for, probably that.
Still, it’s a little sad seeing so much MT hardware come from the US only. Maybe your country doesn’t have the money or reasons to buy fancy American jets and instead goes for the more affordable Gripen. Maybe the country’s in the EU and uses Typhoons which I rarely ever see on NS. Maybe Soviet affiliation during the Cold War could result in the use of Flankers and Fulcrums or even Fishbeds which are seen damn near everywhere East of the Atlantic. If a country must pick American then why not use the Viper, the fighter known to be exported to everywhere. That or you can just opt to buy F-35s so you can have your fancy stealth jet cake and eat it too.

Mine just brought the blueprints from the greymen (Gründer Industries). We manufacture without regard for whatever nationalities the og design is from.

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:59 pm

Miku the Based wrote:just brought the blueprints from the greymen

without regard for .. nationalities

by **Fahran** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:22 pm

I really need to do more RP posts from the perspective of Family-Man Jihadi (C).

by **South Reinkalistan** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:26 pm

Is anyone else noting the prominence of bare-faced national bolshevism recently? Like, you've always had states that were edging that direction in practice, but now I'm seeing a lot of states come out as just "nazbol".

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:29 pm

South Reinkalistan wrote:Is anyone else noting the prominence of bare-faced national bolshevism recently? Like, you've always had states that were edging that direction in practice, but now I'm seeing a lot of states come out as just "nazbol".

probably from TNO tbh, I think the recent updates focused on the nazbol post-Soviet factions and we all know just how many people take inspiration from TNO there are on this site.

by **South Reinkalistan** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:33 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
South Reinkalistan wrote:Is anyone else noting the prominence of bare-faced national bolshevism recently? Like, you've always had states that were edging that direction in practice, but now I'm seeing a lot of states come out as just "nazbol".

probably from TNO tbh, I think the recent updates focused on the nazbol post-Soviet factions and we all know just how many people take inspiration from TNO there are on this site.

That explains it. Not that I have any problem, ofc. Gamer moments inbound.

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:35 pm

South Reinkalistan wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:probably from TNO tbh, I think the recent updates focused on the nazbol post-Soviet factions and we all know just how many people take inspiration from TNO there are on this site.

That explains it. Not that I have any problem, ofc. Gamer moments inbound.

minorities? more like hereditary reactionaries opposing the new Marx, am I right guys? wholesome 100 Serov iron foundry national soviet ordosocialist moment funny keanu moment am I right or am I right reddit? where are the funny internet points I am now rightly owed?

yeah, it's not a problem imo, and given that those nations are actually probably some of the more appealing dystopias- for me at least- that TNO put out it's interesting to see more people look at them.

by **South Reinkalistan** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:37 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
South Reinkalistan wrote:That explains it. Not that I have any problem, ofc. Gamer moments inbound.

minorities? more like hereditary reactionaries opposing the new Marx, am I right guys? wholesome 100 Serov iron foundry national soviet ordosocialist moment funny keanu moment am I right or am I right reddit? where are the funny internet points I am now rightly owed?

you know if the first national bolshevist idealogues looked into the future and saw that sentence as they were writing their political treatises, i think they'd have put down the pen then and there

by **Khoronzon** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:42 pm

South Reinkalistan wrote:you know if the first national bolshevist idealogues looked into the future and saw that sentence as they were writing their political treatises, i think they'd have put down the pen then and there

there is no worse fate for an ideology than to become reddit. once the poison is sufficiently entrenched, there's no going back and the idea is eternally condemned to languish in a pit of dead memes

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:44 pm

Khoronzon wrote:
South Reinkalistan wrote:you know if the first national bolshevist idealogues looked into the future and saw that sentence as they were writing their political treatises, i think they'd have put down the pen then and there

there is no worse fate for an ideology than to become reddit. once the poison is sufficiently entrenched, there's no going back and the idea is eternally condemned to languish in a pit of dead memes

Does this mean that if all politics were to become a meme, radical centrists would win?
Or has the grill meme's would already bitten too deep?

by **Fahran** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:46 pm

South Reinkalistan wrote:Is anyone else noting the prominence of bare-faced national bolshevism recently? Like, you've always had states that were edging that direction in practice, but now I'm seeing a lot of states come out as just "nazbol".

Stalinist nations have been a fixture for quite a long while. It feels more like a rebrand than anything else.

by **South Reinkalistan** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:46 pm

All ideology, centrism included, has become subject to reddit's tendencies.

The only conceivable solution is anti-ideology: i.e., the destruction of the politics and assimilation of all individuals into undifferentiated human matter. The only way to escape reddit is hivemind collectivism.

Fahran wrote:
South Reinkalistan wrote:Is anyone else noting the prominence of bare-faced national bolshevism recently? Like, you've always had states that were edging that direction in practice, but now I'm seeing a lot of states come out as just "nazbol".

Stalinist nations have been a fixture for quite a long while. It feels more like a rebrand than anything else.

National Bolshevism =/= Marxism-Leninism. They're actually much more separate than many give them credit for, and I hate the conflation of "ML/Nazbol". They aren't close enough for it to be a mere rebrand.

by **Connomia** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:06 pm

Nations who go out of their way to show how bad and evil their government is, but they never explore the consequences or reactions to these things.

My Government is like, low to middle tier evil. I have however had the government's views and actions have lead to a good chunk of the immigrants emigrating and causing a mini economic crisis (I will never confirm whether or not the government intentionally caused it.), it has also caused widespread protests which has become an Armed Insurrection.

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